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無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:22:36No.757558586
ラスアススレ
1も2も

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:23:47No.757558931
3が出た場合エリーはもう亡き人になってそう

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:24:38No.757559200
海外で1は本当に名作だったのか論議が巻き起こってるって聞いて笑った2凄い

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:27:17No.757560006
もう少しこう
みんなが笑顔になれるタイプの救いがあっても良かったんじゃないか?

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:27:55No.757560225
新しい試みをしたから賛否両論になるぜ!と得意げだったのにね

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:27:59No.757560243
1まで嫌いになりそうで購入はおろか序盤のプレイ動画すら見れない

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:28:37No.757560426
2をやってもやはりファイアフライのやり方には納得できないな

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:29:50No.757560810
最初からアビー操作させたら復讐をまだ理解できただろうけどよ

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:30:07No.757560903
1の時点でやりきったとか言ってたしな
こうなるのは目に見えてたと言わないけど
想像以上に酷いストーリーだった

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:30:37No.757561052
>1まで嫌いになりそうで購入はおろか序盤のプレイ動画すら見れない
2なんて存在しなかったってことでいいと思うよマジで

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:31:10No.757561219
1で大好評だったオンラインマルチが無いから評価が持ち直す可能性も無いっていう…

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:32:08No.757561541
もし3が出るなら他の地域の話にして2のキャラ出さない方が良いと思う

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:32:48No.757561740
2のストーリー結構面白かった
ミストって映画みたいな後味悪いの好きなら良作

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:33:39No.757562012
>もし3が出るなら他の地域の話にして2のキャラ出さない方が良いと思う
出てもアーカイブや会話とかでちょっと痕跡知れる程度だね

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:34:00No.757562101
1はゲームの世界に入り込みすぎて
いつ狙撃されるかもしれないのに子供が呑気に口笛吹きながら歩く恐怖に耐えられなくて
途中でやめてネタバレみちゃったよ

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:35:36No.757562611
レブとヤーラが出てからアビーの事は好きになった
尻軽なディーナとオーウェンだけは許さん

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:35:37No.757562614
事前情報でひたすら重くてしんどい展開になるのはわかり切ってたし
エリーが復讐の旅に…って段階であージョエルが死んだりすんのかなってのも大体予想できた

から買わんかった
正解やったな

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:35:44No.757562647
ファイアフライの非人道的な屑医者&アビーvs生きるためなら何でもやるロクでなし&エリ-
頭ではわかってるけど糞だろ

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:36:52No.757562998
>2のストーリー結構面白かった
>ミストって映画みたいな後味悪いの好きなら良作

逆に言えばそういうの好きじゃない大多数からは叩かれて当然だわな
良くも悪くも

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:37:08No.757563069
製作側の狙いとかはブレてないわな
あとはそれはやり切ったと評価するか
プレイヤーに不快さを強要してるとするか

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:37:16No.757563119
アビーの不評って何も話聞かないでジョエル殺したからでしょ?
一番重要なところだったのに何でもっと丁寧に展開しなかったんだろ
いきなりフルスイングだと実際プレイしない人にはそれが全てになっちゃう

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:37:18No.757563130
復讐を遂げる前のアビーがよくわからないので
アイザックのお気に入りからの変化がよくわからん
あれじゃただのトラブルメーカーじゃないか

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:37:18No.757563131
本当の名作なら例え2がアレでも評価は覆らない
けもフレはそうだった

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:39:18No.757563724
元スタッフがオリジナルIPでやればいいのに何で他人のふんどし借りてこれやったの?って言ってた

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:39:20No.757563737
>一番重要なところだったのに何でもっと丁寧に展開しなかったんだろ
話がダメ以前に共感させるための演出がダメってのはあるかもねえ
1も冷静に考えると糞主人公なんだけど共感できたし

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:39:41No.757563834
>アビーの不評って何も話聞かないでジョエル殺したからでしょ?
でもアビーはもし自分に耐性あるなら犠牲になってもいいとか言ってるから結局話し聞いても殺したと思う

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:40:15No.757564002
ゲームというインタラクティブなモノなら
少なくとも最後は復讐しきるかやめるかプレイヤーに選ばせてほしかった
それでこそゲームやろ
ただ作り手の言いたい事押し付けるんなら他のメディアでええやん

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:41:10No.757564287
2は2で良作であるけど長すぎてだれるんだよ
途中から難易度下げてランボーしたわ

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:42:14No.757564610
>話がダメ以前に共感させるための演出がダメってのはあるかもねえ
>1も冷静に考えると糞主人公なんだけど共感できたし

最後の愛情押し付けクソ親父だったジョエルをジョエルと重なったアビーを通じてやっと許せたって展開は好きだけどなあ

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:42:49No.757564791
まあでもこうなるよなってストーリーだった
むしろジョエルが死ぬ直前にエリーと歩み寄ってた事がわかるだけむしろ有情に思えるほど

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:43:03No.757564875
脚本さえよければ間違いなく今年のGOTYだった
脚本ですべてぶち壊した感じ
もうシナリオライターは1人に任せる時代ではないのかもしれん

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:43:37No.757565055
これのせいでツシマの発売遅れて本当に良いことなかった

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:43:38No.757565058
>アビーの不評って何も話聞かないでジョエル殺したからでしょ?
アビー以前に話が雑過ぎたというのもある
エリーとディーナがトミーを連れ戻すところからゲームスタート
アビーは過去回想で父親殺された話から登場させてジョエルと再会して殺害するという感じで構成変えた方がよかったと思う
とにかく行ったり来たりが多すぎる…

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:44:08No.757565211
>脚本ですべてぶち壊した感じ
>もうシナリオライターは1人に任せる時代ではないのかもしれん

二人でバランスとりながら作っていた作品なんだし
片方居なくなったらバランス崩壊するだろうとしか

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:44:45No.757565380
トミーおじさんなら間違いなくアビーぶっ殺してただろうけど
エリーはあの結末が一番綺麗だと思うわ

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:45:05No.757565495
みんな色々考えてるんだな
俺はプレイしてて最後アビー可哀想だなって思ったし
これからどうなるのか続きが気になった
面白いかどうかじゃなくて続きがでるならまたプレイしたい

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:45:39No.757565645
エリーもアビーも心情的には自分がやや負けてる状況で復讐から降りたのが個人的に評価してる部分
フェアとは言わんが

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:45:42No.757565663
不快に感じてるプレイヤーは最後にアビーを殺すか赦すか決められたらここまでにはならなかったと思う

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:46:44No.757565956
ジョエルは恨まれて当然だし殺されても仕方ないと思うよ
ただその後のエリーとアビーとしてのゲームプレイへのモチベがわざと湧かなくなるような演出ばっかでね…

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:47:08No.757566069
ゴースト対馬も基本復讐劇だけど
主人公は葛藤しながらも一本筋通すから好感もてる
エリーは女特有の弱さがでて辟易する

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:47:22No.757566138
1のジョエルに共感してたらレブのためにすべてを敵に回したアビーにも共感できると思う
正直最後の殴り合いはもうやめてってなってきつかった

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:48:52No.757566560
アビーは1の手段を選ばないジョエルそのものだったしな
相手側からしたら不快そのものだったんだろ

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:49:08No.757566645
アビー編はじまった時しんどかったからなあ
また4日やる上に待ち受ける結末はあれだし

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:50:30No.757566988
ポリコレおばちゃんが大体悪い

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:50:54No.757567116
あの筋肉女はエリーの母親で過去編だと言われてた頃が懐かしい

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:51:10No.757567180
ストーリーは賛否両論だけどアクションとステージはかなり良いと思う

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:51:50No.757567371
>1のジョエルに共感してたらレブのためにすべてを敵に回したアビーにも共感できると思う
アビーのはなし崩し的な感じがしてな
ジョエルは決断したことによってアビー以上に重たいものを背負うことになったわけだし

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:51:52No.757567385
まあハナから人を選ぶの作ろうとしてたから
賛否ガッツリ分かれるのも想定内やろうしな
ただスタッフやキャストに殺害予告出すバカまで出るほど否側がヒートアップするのはどうかと思うが

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:52:38No.757567596
>ストーリーは賛否両論だけどアクションとステージはかなり良いと思う
と言っても普通のTPSというか目新しい要素もないからな
シナリオの糞さを覆せるほどのゲーム内容でもなかったと思う

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:53:07No.757567749
トミーの好感度が上がった矢先に復讐鬼と化し夫婦仲も拗れるという…
最後まで目が離せない面白さだけど弱いオタクにはおつらいゲームだった

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:53:12No.757567780
アビーはその場のノリで行動し過ぎだしオーウェン以外の仲間の扱いが使い捨てアイテムみたいで酷い

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:54:12No.757568062
ラストバトルでもうええやん許してやろうやって
殴るボタン押すのしんどくなってた自分のとっては悪いエンドじゃなかった

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:54:31No.757568151
人を選ぶ作品を作りたいなら続編でやるべきではない

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:54:36No.757568169
RTAが12分程度だっけ
アビーに代わってすぐに崖から飛び降りてED流れて終了

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:55:11No.757568332
ジャクソンを舞台にしたアビーが主役のオープンワールドも考えていたみたいだね

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:55:19No.757568374
サンタバーバラ時点でアビー殺したいプレイヤーとかいたんだろうか
オーウェンとメル殺された後にこっちの妊婦見逃してるんだから精神的には完全敗北の気分だったわ

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:55:33No.757568452
アビーとエリ-間の話なら悪くないけどファイヤフライ生き残ってるじゃんエリーに安息の日はないだろこれ

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:55:58No.757568550
サンタバーバラは蛇足

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:56:54No.757568792
別にジョエルが死のうが面白ければいいと思うんだけど面白くないから問題なんじゃない?

無念Nameとしあき20/07/26(日)00:57:04No.757568841
>1で大好評だったオンラインマルチが無いから評価が持ち直す可能性も無いっていう…
一番酷いのはこれだよね


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